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I discovered Sam Pink in the dark corners of the 2012 Internet. Apparently, this was common means of discovery: many fans caught word of Pink via Tumblr\u2019s then-vibrant literary scene, the whirlwind days of DIY publishing. I immediately read his 2011 novel, Person<\/em><\/a>, an indie cult favorite. I related to Person<\/em>\u2019s aimless narrator: \u201cI pass an apartment with a dog in the front yard area, walking around unchained. I stop and stare at the dog. The dog stares back. We are in love\u00a0yeah.\u201d<\/p>\n

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Pink\u2019s two new novellas, The Garbage Times<\/em> and White Ibis<\/em><\/a>\u200a\u2014\u200apublished together in a t\u00eate-b\u00eache binding\u200a\u2014\u200afollow their respective narrators through Chicago and Florida. In The Garbage Times<\/em>, a bar employee hangs out around rats and excrement. In White Ibis<\/em>, an artist hangs out with birds and birthday\u00a0girls.<\/p>\n

Over email, Pink and I had a discussion that roamed much like his narrators, covering everything from creative processes, to various animals, to the ferocity of Floridian Girl\u00a0Scouts.<\/p>\n

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Deirdre Coyle: How did these two novellas, The Garbage Times <\/em>and White Ibis<\/em>, wind up together?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sam Pink:<\/strong> I had just finished The Garbage Times<\/em> and Andy Hunter from Catapult\/Softskull asked me if I had anything. They wanted it. In the time between it being accepted and before it was published, I wrote White Ibis<\/em> and showed it to them and they wanted it too. Around the same time, I started thinking about publishing them together, and they suggested the same idea. It seemed to make more and more sense. At this point I can\u2019t imagine them as separate.<\/p>\n

Rontel<\/a><\/p>\n

DC: The Garbage Times <\/em>and White Ibis <\/em>have such starkly different, but complementary, landscapes in Chicago versus Florida. What\u2019s your preferred IRL landscape? Are there some places that inspire you more than\u00a0others?<\/strong><\/p>\n

SP: <\/strong>I didn\u2019t like Florida at first, but I was being a brat. By the time I left, I loved it. It\u2019s a beautiful place. I think I\u2019m inspired by wherever I\u2019m at, because it\u2019s always stuff presenting itself\u2019 in some way. I think that stuff\u2019 and how I react to it differs depending on where I\u2019m at. The Garbage Times<\/em> and other writing from Chicago has the feel of \u201cChicago stuff\u201d I feel (i.e., bleak weather, feeling cramped, anger, dark humor), and the writing I\u2019ve done about Florida at a glance appears to be a little more laid back, expansive and calm\u200a\u2014\u200ait\u2019s \u201cFlorida\u00a0stuff.\u201d<\/p>\n

DC: The narrator in The Garbage Times<\/em> describes \u201cthe garbage times\u201d as \u201cwhere best to just shut the fuck up and do what you had to do. Where best never to complain. And always be ready.\u201d Would you say we\u2019re living in the garbage times\u00a0now?<\/strong><\/p>\n

SP: <\/strong>Always. Never ever forget it. ARFA (always ready for action). You are always the garbage-person to your own life. Let it pile up all you want, and it might get gross, or confront it and clean up. But you have to will yourself to do it. And the first step of that is saying yes to it. Especially currently, where there is more said of most issues than done about them. You\u2019re either a garbage person, or the ones complaining about the smell. Either way, you are creating garbage, and can do or not do many things with your trash (raises eyebrows and licks ice cream\u00a0cone).<\/p>\n

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You are always the garbage-person to your own life. Let it pile up all you want, and it might get gross, or confront it and clean\u00a0up.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

DC: I originally found your work around 2012 through some part of the Internet that I\u2019ve long since forgotten. Did online communities help foster your earlier\u00a0work?<\/strong><\/p>\n

SP: <\/strong>Yeah for sure. The Internet was really fun and cool for a while. It was what seemed like, a rare moment of freedom opening up, and people capitalizing on it positively to put cool shit into the world and create a way to spend time, without mass marketed\/corporate\/brand type bullshit fucking it up. It was a real cool thing that helped me meet a lot of cool people and learn more about myself and encouraged me to make\/share more. I can honestly say that before encountering the Internet, I genuinely thought, not in a cynical\/rhetorical way, that I couldn\u2019t write a book or paint a painting. But then you try and learn about yourself. I appreciate everyone from around that beginning time period, and look forward to newer people resurrecting and cherishing that mode of creating\/being.<\/p>\n

DC: You\u2019re also a visual artist, as is the narrator in White Ibis <\/em>(who is coerced into illustrating a group of Girl Scouts). How do you balance your creative projects? Do they ever feed off each\u00a0other?<\/strong><\/p>\n

SP: <\/strong>Shout-out Girl Scouts of Florida and the world. \u201cLeave it better than you found it,\u201d etc. You are the gentle yet fierce cops we need, but perhaps, don\u2019t deserve? Also nobody parties like a Girl Scout. When was the last time you were at a party (having shown up on time along with all the others), stayed completely sober, talked earnestly with all your friends, had dinner together, made some pictures together, presented your findings on a certain topic in oratorical presentation form, then watched a movie together and \u201ccamped out\u201d in a house, all the while knowing you\u2019d wake up excited to have breakfast with your friends, and that you were a troop together, united by the search for more\u00a0patches?<\/p>\n

Deciding which thing to work on is easy if you just listen. My mind would be saying \u201cI don\u2019t want to do this\u201d after painting for a couple months, then I\u2019d write something. And vice-versa. You just have to be honest with yourself. Sometimes, it\u2019s not time. And yes, the different kinds of work feed off each other, although, I feel like writing has fed more off of painting than the other way around. Learning\/teaching myself how to paint has helped me apply many new ideas to writing. I would encourage writers to try out other modes of expression to help their\u00a0writing.<\/p>\n

Sexts from Sam Pink<\/a><\/p>\n

DC: Yeah, I\u2019m often baffled by the way some people have hard and fast rules about their creative processes. I agree that sometimes, it\u2019s not time. What do you work on when you\u2019re not feeling creative at\u00a0all?<\/strong><\/p>\n

SP: <\/strong>Yeah, the \u201cI have to do at least [x words\/x amount of x] per day\u201d is something I don\u2019t understand. I usually don\u2019t feel creative, but I\u2019ll just sit down, and it\u2019ll happen. With that said, when I sit down and nothing happens or I don\u2019t feel like doing it, I go for walks, or play with my cats, or go to the\u00a0gym.<\/p>\n

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Nobody parties like a Girl\u00a0Scout.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

DC: I\u2019ve noticed a lot of casually mentioned dinosaurs in your work: in Hurt Others<\/em>, \u201cI talked about dinosaurs\u201d; in Person<\/em>, \u201cMan Found Starved. Believed Relative of a Baby Dinosaur\u201d; in White Ibis<\/em>, \u201cArrangements for casket attire? Dinosaur costume ALL THE WAY for me.\u201d Can you talk more about your relationship to dinosaurs?<\/strong><\/p>\n

SP: <\/strong>Damn, nice catch. I didn\u2019t even realize that. (I\u2019m imagining you asking the \u201crelationship to dinosaurs\u201d question by putting a mic in my face as I exit a courtroom.) I must have dinos on the brain!!! I think my relationship to them is one of utter confusion. That they existed before us, like they had an earlier chance at earth, still ended up dying out completely. I feel a sense of camaraderie with dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are really exciting. Furthermore, our current existence is almost solely fueled by their bones. WHATTAHHAHAHAH?!>!>!>??!?!?<\/p>\n

DC: Do you think birds are dinosaurs?<\/strong><\/p>\n

SP: <\/strong>I have come to deeply love birds after living in Florida. If you\u2019ve never watched a pelican doing what a pelican does, you\u2019re a dinosaur head. If birds are dinosaurs, then fuck yeah, because not only did it take a meteor to kill them off, but then they became something else that continues to live, and has almost no interest in human interaction. They evolved into something that has the ability to just completely leave the general area of any human. In conclusion, if you don\u2019t think about dinosaurs, you are the dinosaur of tomorrow.<\/p>\n

DC: There are a lot of really cool animals in both novellas. Aside from the titular bird, do you have a favorite?<\/strong><\/p>\n

SP: <\/strong>I enjoy armadillos a lot. I enjoy willets as well. I also saw a turtle one time at a state park in Gainesville. It was on a piece of wood, floating down a river, but facing backwards, neck extended, mouth open, getting blasted by the sun. I knew in that moment, that I had connected with that turtle in a way that would follow me to the\u00a0grave.<\/p>\n

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In conclusion, if you don\u2019t think about dinosaurs, you are the dinosaur of tomorrow.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

DC: That reminds me of this passage from Martin Buber\u2019s I and Thou<\/em>, where he\u2019s talking about making eye contact with a cat: \u201cThe beginning of this cat\u2019s glance, lighting up under the touch of my glance, indisputably questioned me: \u2018Is it possible that you think of me? Do you really not just want me to have fun? Do I concern you? Do I exist in your sight? Do I really exist? What is it that comes from you? What is it that surrounds me? What is it that comes to me? Whatisit?\u2019\u201d So, did the turtle make eye contact with\u00a0you???<\/strong><\/p>\n

SP: <\/strong>I like I and Thou <\/em>and Levinas\u2019 work, too (pretty sure he was a student of Buber). The turtle and I did not make eye contact. Which is awesome. That turtle didn\u2019t give two fucks. That\u2019s one of the things I like about animals, they\u2019re not as needy as\u00a0people.<\/p>\n

DC: What do you think that White Ibis is doing right\u00a0now?<\/strong><\/p>\n

SP: <\/strong>I can tell you that it\u2019s probably standing on a concrete embankment overlooking a drainage pond, being powerful.<\/p>\n

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